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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://amateurassetallocator.com/2008/04/28/is-cpi-manipulated/comment-page-1/#comment-7685</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, good post, but I think you missed the point of the criticism of hedonics used in CPI.

First, you make the claim that a consumer switching to hamburger from steak is something that should not affect the overall inflation score, because even if *steak* increases in value, not everything has. The problem with this argument is that a rise in the price of steak does in fact mean that a small amount of inflation has occurred. The *systemic* inflation rate edges up slightly when the *steak* inflation rate goes up sharply. That&#039;s the point. Inflation is a measure of the depreciation of the buying power of a dollar. We measure that with how much it buys. Meat is a basic product of our economy, and its price increase does indicate something about the value of a dollar.

Second, you say that part of the issue is a question of outmoded products that should not be as heavily weighted. Fair enough that we should not weight buggy whips and butter churns as heavily; however, I believe the problem is more that *burger* is not a more technologically advanced form of *steak*. The &quot;basket&quot; should change from time to time to reflect overall changes in preference, but only at par - that is, when the auto became more important than the buggy, we should&#039;ve come up with a retro-active par calculation for buggies and cars. Making such adjustments back and forth as prices change is not appropriate for something as basic as meat. Does meat go out of style? And also...is burger really a different kind of steak? Does it really replace steak? I think the answer to these questions is no.

I have a qualm with another one of your claims - you say that you can&#039;t trust shadow stats&#039; arguments because they don&#039;t cite sources. The problem with this argument is that shadow stats is an original source, selling their data as a trade secret! The only other source you need *is* the CPI; in fact, they&#039;re only using the CPI before some recent politicians started messing with it. Fine if you think that there are flaws in the old one; the difference is that what he&#039;s really hiding from you is the data set; you could pay to get it. The calculation is do-able for anyone willing to spend the time. Furthermore, he gives you his whole reasoning freely; you are able to disagree just fine on any point. Couple that with the fact that the federal social security payouts are tied by law to the CPI, and you have plenty of reason for the CPI to simply be biased by *optimism* and budgetary *desperation* without the need for *conspiracy*. And plenty of a market for someone to sell more realistic data.

Otherwise, good rebuttal to some of the common tin-foil-hat myths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, good post, but I think you missed the point of the criticism of hedonics used in CPI.</p>
<p>First, you make the claim that a consumer switching to hamburger from steak is something that should not affect the overall inflation score, because even if *steak* increases in value, not everything has. The problem with this argument is that a rise in the price of steak does in fact mean that a small amount of inflation has occurred. The *systemic* inflation rate edges up slightly when the *steak* inflation rate goes up sharply. That&#8217;s the point. Inflation is a measure of the depreciation of the buying power of a dollar. We measure that with how much it buys. Meat is a basic product of our economy, and its price increase does indicate something about the value of a dollar.</p>
<p>Second, you say that part of the issue is a question of outmoded products that should not be as heavily weighted. Fair enough that we should not weight buggy whips and butter churns as heavily; however, I believe the problem is more that *burger* is not a more technologically advanced form of *steak*. The &#8220;basket&#8221; should change from time to time to reflect overall changes in preference, but only at par &#8211; that is, when the auto became more important than the buggy, we should&#8217;ve come up with a retro-active par calculation for buggies and cars. Making such adjustments back and forth as prices change is not appropriate for something as basic as meat. Does meat go out of style? And also&#8230;is burger really a different kind of steak? Does it really replace steak? I think the answer to these questions is no.</p>
<p>I have a qualm with another one of your claims &#8211; you say that you can&#8217;t trust shadow stats&#8217; arguments because they don&#8217;t cite sources. The problem with this argument is that shadow stats is an original source, selling their data as a trade secret! The only other source you need *is* the CPI; in fact, they&#8217;re only using the CPI before some recent politicians started messing with it. Fine if you think that there are flaws in the old one; the difference is that what he&#8217;s really hiding from you is the data set; you could pay to get it. The calculation is do-able for anyone willing to spend the time. Furthermore, he gives you his whole reasoning freely; you are able to disagree just fine on any point. Couple that with the fact that the federal social security payouts are tied by law to the CPI, and you have plenty of reason for the CPI to simply be biased by *optimism* and budgetary *desperation* without the need for *conspiracy*. And plenty of a market for someone to sell more realistic data.</p>
<p>Otherwise, good rebuttal to some of the common tin-foil-hat myths.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://amateurassetallocator.com/2008/04/28/is-cpi-manipulated/comment-page-1/#comment-4166</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 03:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s simple, M3 numbers are very expensive for the government to publish.  They have to pay statisticians to constantly run the numbers, verify everything, and then publish them.  All the inputs used to calculate M3 are publicly-available, however.  The U.S. government was NEVER the only entity to publish those numbers, and obviously, all the numbers were slightly different because they used slightly different inputs.  The particular source cited above has tracked official M3 to within a very tiny margin of error, mainly due to the (cited) decision to estimate the value of outstanding Euro dollars rather than go through the trouble of collecting the raw data.  The calculation is expensive for anybody to undertake, especially the government.  When has the government ever done things the cheap or easy way?

You aren&#039;t missing everything, the argument is extremely clear and straightforward.  I&#039;m not sure how it could be stated any simpler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s simple, M3 numbers are very expensive for the government to publish.  They have to pay statisticians to constantly run the numbers, verify everything, and then publish them.  All the inputs used to calculate M3 are publicly-available, however.  The U.S. government was NEVER the only entity to publish those numbers, and obviously, all the numbers were slightly different because they used slightly different inputs.  The particular source cited above has tracked official M3 to within a very tiny margin of error, mainly due to the (cited) decision to estimate the value of outstanding Euro dollars rather than go through the trouble of collecting the raw data.  The calculation is expensive for anybody to undertake, especially the government.  When has the government ever done things the cheap or easy way?</p>
<p>You aren&#8217;t missing everything, the argument is extremely clear and straightforward.  I&#8217;m not sure how it could be stated any simpler.</p>
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		<title>By: John C</title>
		<link>http://amateurassetallocator.com/2008/04/28/is-cpi-manipulated/comment-page-1/#comment-4165</link>
		<dc:creator>John C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Feds stopped publishing M3 numbers to save money (as the author stated) why does the author then say the base numbers for M3 calculation are available and can easily be calculated from an excel program. What am I missing? His arguments  sounds very defensive and circumvent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Feds stopped publishing M3 numbers to save money (as the author stated) why does the author then say the base numbers for M3 calculation are available and can easily be calculated from an excel program. What am I missing? His arguments  sounds very defensive and circumvent.</p>
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		<title>By: jcwitness</title>
		<link>http://amateurassetallocator.com/2008/04/28/is-cpi-manipulated/comment-page-1/#comment-3123</link>
		<dc:creator>jcwitness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, I wish that were true.
But if it were, there would be no deficit. None.
To whom does the government owe money to if it is merely borrowing from itself.
In 2007 $11Billion for IRS overhead to collect $2Trillion in taxes.
That money goes to the Federal Reserve to pay interest on a debt that can never be repaid.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07719t.pdf

A quick (albeit crude) assemblage of the history is here:
http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/BIGGESTSCAMINHISTORY.HTML

Can you refute any of those claims or have some other books, videos or online references I can further research.
I am not pushing what I believe, but am seeking out knowledge and understanding of a murky history of the United States that has become the USA.
TIA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, I wish that were true.<br />
But if it were, there would be no deficit. None.<br />
To whom does the government owe money to if it is merely borrowing from itself.<br />
In 2007 $11Billion for IRS overhead to collect $2Trillion in taxes.<br />
That money goes to the Federal Reserve to pay interest on a debt that can never be repaid.<br />
<a href="http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07719t.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07719t.pdf</a></p>
<p>A quick (albeit crude) assemblage of the history is here:<br />
<a href="http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/BIGGESTSCAMINHISTORY.HTML" rel="nofollow">http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/BIGGESTSCAMINHISTORY.HTML</a></p>
<p>Can you refute any of those claims or have some other books, videos or online references I can further research.<br />
I am not pushing what I believe, but am seeking out knowledge and understanding of a murky history of the United States that has become the USA.<br />
TIA</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://amateurassetallocator.com/2008/04/28/is-cpi-manipulated/comment-page-1/#comment-3114</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incorrect.  The FED is a semi-public institution entirely and completely under the control of the U.S. Congress.  The belief that it is a private-owned bank is widespread, but false.  The confusion seems to come from the fact that member banks are required to buy &quot;stock&quot; from the FED, but the use of the term &quot;stock&quot; in his case is archaic.  This &quot;stock&quot; has no voting rights and is completely different from what we would refer to as stock in the common era.  They share no common attributes.

Furthermore, substantially all of the FED&#039;s profits every year are given to the U.S. Treasury.  If the FED were privately-owned, the owners would be very unhappy about having their profits always given away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incorrect.  The FED is a semi-public institution entirely and completely under the control of the U.S. Congress.  The belief that it is a private-owned bank is widespread, but false.  The confusion seems to come from the fact that member banks are required to buy &#8220;stock&#8221; from the FED, but the use of the term &#8220;stock&#8221; in his case is archaic.  This &#8220;stock&#8221; has no voting rights and is completely different from what we would refer to as stock in the common era.  They share no common attributes.</p>
<p>Furthermore, substantially all of the FED&#8217;s profits every year are given to the U.S. Treasury.  If the FED were privately-owned, the owners would be very unhappy about having their profits always given away.</p>
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		<title>By: jcwitness</title>
		<link>http://amateurassetallocator.com/2008/04/28/is-cpi-manipulated/comment-page-1/#comment-3112</link>
		<dc:creator>jcwitness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Federal Reserve Board is not a government agency.  The FED is a privately owned bank.
Where is the (real) oversight?
Certainly not in the banking and finance committees in Congress.
 
If &#039;minor&#039; little details like this get overlooked, I can only imagine the efforts taken on such an endeavor to &#039;debunk conspiracy theories&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Federal Reserve Board is not a government agency.  The FED is a privately owned bank.<br />
Where is the (real) oversight?<br />
Certainly not in the banking and finance committees in Congress.</p>
<p>If &#8216;minor&#8217; little details like this get overlooked, I can only imagine the efforts taken on such an endeavor to &#8216;debunk conspiracy theories&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lionfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the CPI is that it is not an inflation index anymore, but has rather switched to a cost-of-living index (COLI). Both measure impact on consumers - however one measures consumes purchases based on a standard of living vs. the other measuring price fluctuations on a fix basket of goods.

The CPI has been changed so many times in the last 10 years that any year-over-year measurment is hard to track. Hedonics, Geometric weighting, full-subsitutions, etc. If we use pre-1990 calculations the CPI is a lot higher. Even the ILO has stated that our CPI is not really a COLI - however the only deception by the government is not really explaining that difference. I don&#039;t have a problem with teh CPI or the COLI. I have a problem that the government has continued to make changes so that what we are measuring is different but in name it remains the same.
It is clear that keeping the CPI low is important because it also affects Social Security benefits and Treasuries. That alone is a clear reason as to why to keep the CPI low. It is also interesting in that all the changes made to the CPI in the last couple of decades has LOWERED it - rather than kept it the same or increase it. 
As per M3 - the FED&#039;s excuse to not measure it as per a cost cutting measure is rather silly. It is still being measured - they just rather refer to M2 (which is also costly to measure) and not refer to M3.  I think both Bogel, Paul, Buffet, Walker, and others all make compelling arguments as to why we should continue to measure it.

One thing is for sure - seeing 100s of billions lent at the discount window, opening it up to non-members, and now extending the it from 30 to 84 days is not a sign that things are running smoothly.

Looking at non COLI inflation measurements - it&#039;s apparent that the CPI is not very good at measuring inflation.

From credit lines it would seem that money is very tight - (if I didn&#039;t know better I would think that target rates were at 8-10% and discount 12% - also they must of stopped printing money). However we know that is far from the truth. Money is being poured into the system as we are seeing the largest unwind of leverage in the history of the world. 

Now the GSEs only answer is a bailout. Are we to believe that $5 trillion in assets, which $1.5 trillion is non-performing is going to be bailed out by the Fed without the need of printing more money (hence inflation). Only a fool (like Frank) could by such a falsehood.

These are interesting times - and the disparity between government data reporting and what is actually happening on the street (wall street and main street) is laughable if we were not in this mess ourselves.

I am not a conspiracist - but math is math. And 2+2 does not equal 5, no matter how much Bernanke wants to convince us that it is so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the CPI is that it is not an inflation index anymore, but has rather switched to a cost-of-living index (COLI). Both measure impact on consumers &#8211; however one measures consumes purchases based on a standard of living vs. the other measuring price fluctuations on a fix basket of goods.</p>
<p>The CPI has been changed so many times in the last 10 years that any year-over-year measurment is hard to track. Hedonics, Geometric weighting, full-subsitutions, etc. If we use pre-1990 calculations the CPI is a lot higher. Even the ILO has stated that our CPI is not really a COLI &#8211; however the only deception by the government is not really explaining that difference. I don&#8217;t have a problem with teh CPI or the COLI. I have a problem that the government has continued to make changes so that what we are measuring is different but in name it remains the same.<br />
It is clear that keeping the CPI low is important because it also affects Social Security benefits and Treasuries. That alone is a clear reason as to why to keep the CPI low. It is also interesting in that all the changes made to the CPI in the last couple of decades has LOWERED it &#8211; rather than kept it the same or increase it.<br />
As per M3 &#8211; the FED&#8217;s excuse to not measure it as per a cost cutting measure is rather silly. It is still being measured &#8211; they just rather refer to M2 (which is also costly to measure) and not refer to M3.  I think both Bogel, Paul, Buffet, Walker, and others all make compelling arguments as to why we should continue to measure it.</p>
<p>One thing is for sure &#8211; seeing 100s of billions lent at the discount window, opening it up to non-members, and now extending the it from 30 to 84 days is not a sign that things are running smoothly.</p>
<p>Looking at non COLI inflation measurements &#8211; it&#8217;s apparent that the CPI is not very good at measuring inflation.</p>
<p>From credit lines it would seem that money is very tight &#8211; (if I didn&#8217;t know better I would think that target rates were at 8-10% and discount 12% &#8211; also they must of stopped printing money). However we know that is far from the truth. Money is being poured into the system as we are seeing the largest unwind of leverage in the history of the world. </p>
<p>Now the GSEs only answer is a bailout. Are we to believe that $5 trillion in assets, which $1.5 trillion is non-performing is going to be bailed out by the Fed without the need of printing more money (hence inflation). Only a fool (like Frank) could by such a falsehood.</p>
<p>These are interesting times &#8211; and the disparity between government data reporting and what is actually happening on the street (wall street and main street) is laughable if we were not in this mess ourselves.</p>
<p>I am not a conspiracist &#8211; but math is math. And 2+2 does not equal 5, no matter how much Bernanke wants to convince us that it is so.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the website is merely using existing inputs.  The data is there, so writing a calculator is practically free.  Besides, the website is likely profiting quite a bit from offering the free tool.  Besides, the Fed didn&#039;t really say it was &quot;too expensive,&quot; just that there was no real benefit  from their perspective since it was never used.  If there&#039;s no real benefit, any cost is too high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the website is merely using existing inputs.  The data is there, so writing a calculator is practically free.  Besides, the website is likely profiting quite a bit from offering the free tool.  Besides, the Fed didn&#8217;t really say it was &#8220;too expensive,&#8221; just that there was no real benefit  from their perspective since it was never used.  If there&#8217;s no real benefit, any cost is too high.</p>
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		<title>By: Recursive M3 argument</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recursive M3 argument</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let see,  it is expensive to collect M3 data and calculate, yet there is a website with a M3 calculator.  Does this mean the website operator has more free money than the Federal Reserve and can publish this information for free?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let see,  it is expensive to collect M3 data and calculate, yet there is a website with a M3 calculator.  Does this mean the website operator has more free money than the Federal Reserve and can publish this information for free?  <img src='http://amateurassetallocator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is CPI Manipulated? Of course it is, so that the government can screw everyone over on pay raises and social security cost-of-living raises. Relax...social security will be there for everyone--it just won&#039;t buy anything!

Let me use an example of price increases: The Honda Civic. In 1980, you could buy a stripped-down Honda Civic for under $4,000. Now, if you believe the government&#039;s 3% inflation lies of the last 27 years, the price would have doubled to $8,000+ (Rule of 72 divided by 3%=24). Instead, the true inflation rate since 1980 has been 6% and the Civic&#039;s price has doubled twice to $16,000+.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is CPI Manipulated? Of course it is, so that the government can screw everyone over on pay raises and social security cost-of-living raises. Relax&#8230;social security will be there for everyone&#8211;it just won&#8217;t buy anything!</p>
<p>Let me use an example of price increases: The Honda Civic. In 1980, you could buy a stripped-down Honda Civic for under $4,000. Now, if you believe the government&#8217;s 3% inflation lies of the last 27 years, the price would have doubled to $8,000+ (Rule of 72 divided by 3%=24). Instead, the true inflation rate since 1980 has been 6% and the Civic&#8217;s price has doubled twice to $16,000+.</p>
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